Fürstin Viktoria van Oranje[WIP]

Name: Viktoria Willhelmina Brunhilde van Oranje.
Titles: Fürstin(Presumptive, Pretender) of the Duchy of Oranje, Dame of the Order of First Citizens.
Age: 18.
Sex: Female.
Race: Human.
Alignment: Lawful Good

Viktoria sits with the most diplomatic smile she can muster, hands folded across her lap and quite vivid blue eyes regarding the world around her, even though the tableaux does not move, one is able to perceive the barest strain  on her character and features, some unknown provocation which she is working to suppress.

Her hair, of a dark and lustrous black is bound with a simple red ribbon, and left to fall behind her head. Her eyes, as mentioned, are blue. The rest of her face is soft in an appealing way, the curve of her cheek and neck defined, features flushed like a spring morning. Indeed, her entire figure is blushing, the enigma of stress perhaps from some unknown embarrassment.

She seems quite young, youthful in a blossoming sort of fashion. If one had to estimate her height, they would not be remiss at a conservative 5'6". Her hands appear uncalloused and soft, no hard work nor tar staining their slender fingers.



It was not so very long Queen Elena of house Anhalt-Leyen ascended to the throne of Leoben. It was also not so long ago that many prominent lords rose up against her in rebellion. All actions have consequences, and so Viktoria van Oranje, first of her name, nominal heir to the Free Duchy of Oranje was wounded. Her father, the incumbent of that title, was imprisoned at her behest, and even now awaits in fetters without trial.

His loyal daughter, his only child, has been forced to flee. There are many whom would seek to revoke her title and see her blood run upon the tiles of her city. Perilously, the young woman has traveled to Estavyr in exile, hoping to await the fate of her father in relative safety and comfort.

There was reason as to her being an only child. Her mother had, tragically, died in childbirth. Her father loved her dearly, and made an oath not to marry again, and so devoted his attentions to his lovely and doting daughter. He did his best to ensure the priests and scholars educated her on matters of geography and literature, to which her tutors reported amiable results. Shy by nature, the young girl felt more at home with her entourage then with the ladies of the court, but indeed by social necessity her diplomatic nature shines through often.




Rough Attributes:

Physique: ---Physical Capabilities.
<3/10> She's lived most of her life indoors, and has no training in martial affairs. She is petite and small framed, a delicate flower.
Intelligence: ---Mental Capabilities.
<7/10> Smarter than most, Viktoria delights in mental affairs, and boasts an impressive library.
Attunement: ---Magical Affinity and Aptitude:
<4/10> Though van Oranje might posesses some natural skill, it has not been honed nor even examined.
Willpower: ---Spiritual Capability and inner strength.
<6/10> It has been harrowing the past few months, putting her willpower to the test.
Cunning: ---Craftiness and Quick Thinking
<5/10> Perfectly average.
Guile: ---Sleuthiness and Rogue-like nature.
<5/10> Perfectly average.

Virtues:

Learned: Educated properly, she can speak Common Astanién and Leobish with eloquence and fluency, though an accent is present.
Beautiful: To say it plainly, many have commented on this most illustrious asset, though in a city such as this one, it may be more of a liability.
Innnocent: Indeed, another double edged sword there is a certain sense of purity about her, as if dark thoughs do not drift through her mind.
Noble: Rather obvious, she has the blood of lords and ladies in her veins.
Kind: She cannot resist tending a wounded bird, nor feeding the beggar if able.
Diplomatic: Though she may not want to perform a social action, she very likely will to save face or not offend.
Musical: A good voice and a love of music grace her. She can play the harp.

Faults:

Naive: Inclined to believe first impressions and think the best, she is woefully informed as to worldly ways.
Absentminded: Tending to distraction, she finds herself lost in one form or another.
Poor Steward: Bad with money, the tends to give -too- freely.
Spoiled: Raised with servants on hand her entire life, she could not, for instance, make a bed.
Introverted: Though she is diplomatic by training, she's really a shy type.


2 x Ounces pieces of gold.
10 x Ounces Pieces of silver.
15 x Ounces pieces of copper.
1 Travelers certificate for 30 ounces of gold.
She also possesses a large trunk containing clothes, grooming utilities etc.

I didn't know William of Orange had a daughter in this universe :P

In all seriousness, I'm not sure if a royalty character would all so well fit into the server, at least not as a regular character. If a royal's daughter had escaped whatever, there would be a large manhunt for her, which yes, this does work but it'd all have to be part of a fairly large storyline. Additionally, I'm not so sure if the backstory is sufficient for such a character, maybe beef it up a bit more, give some more background on how she got to the city, why and maybe give some backstory on the lords and why they rebelled.

Just some things to keep in mind before taking this out of [WIP], I'd suggest talking to krug and Zaku about this aswell

Before I can address anything else, I have to point out that this is a pretty low tech medieval era themed fantasy, so you're pretty far ahead of the time period to say the least. I couldn't pass it with this much more modern vibe going on, I'm afraid.

Also van Oranje. You know what you did.

Krug wrote:

Before I can address anything else, I have to point out that this is a pretty low tech medieval era themed fantasy, so you're pretty far ahead of the time period to say the least. I couldn't pass it with this much more modern vibe going on, I'm afraid.

Also van Oranje. You know what you did.

The picture is representative. IF you are speaking to the tone of the character, I am not certain the Holy Roman Empire, the source I draw inspiration from in terms of noble matters and largess, counts as modern? It's about as feudal as it gets.

Atlas wrote:

I didn't know William of Orange had a daughter in this universe :P

In all seriousness, I'm not sure if a royalty character would all so well fit into the server, at least not as a regular character. If a royal's daughter had escaped whatever, there would be a large manhunt for her, which yes, this does work but it'd all have to be part of a fairly large storyline. Additionally, I'm not so sure if the backstory is sufficient for such a character, maybe beef it up a bit more, give some more background on how she got to the city, why and maybe give some backstory on the lords and why they rebelled.

Just some things to keep in mind before taking this out of [WIP], I'd suggest talking to krug and Zaku about this aswell

She's not royalty. Faustin, or Princess in German refers to a title in the Holy Roman Empire. Like Prince of the realm. Her father is a Duke

When Krug is using the term 'feudal' I don't think he directly refers to the system, but the Early Modern Middle Age time period (Early Middle -> Middle Ages) in which the RP is loosely based around. Plus, there is no lore on the house of 'Oranje'. Characters are severely limited as they are, and an application for a noble (someone with considerable power, I assume) should be much larger, and should be coming from a trusted member of the community that has been here for some time. (granted, we haven't been up for that long, but you could at least play a less challenging character before proposing this idea) By the looks of the image, I assume your concept isn't something in the period Krug is talking about. I get vibes from this character, something that tells me that they're going to be roleplayed a bit 'industrial' agey. This is something I'd love to avoid, given that it's a stale and outdone period that we've all roleplayed before. We're talking about a world here that has very basic feudal monarchies, levies, vassals and the like, with the exception of a few countries. I have a hard time believing the nobility would even concern themselves with the affairs of commoners, and this can't be reflected on server. Imagine now, a noble swathed in flowing silks and gold walking into a bar and sipping a brown ale with a mottled gathering of old farmers and youthful adventurers. The scene just doesn't fit right.

As such, (whilst I don't speak for the community in general) I don't think there's much of a need to represent such high levels of nobility, at least not through the playerbase. It's something best left to the admins. I certainly wouldn't want to play such an important character, in any case.

If this character is too wealthy/powerful to be accepted, than I will stand by that ruling, but I don't think Christoph is at fault for assuming Leoben, a nation that is stated (albeit indirectly) in lore to be more technologically and culturally advanced than the others... is more technologically and culturally advanced.

The reason I would hesitate to accept this is simply because there are quite a few noble characters already (and some planned) and we need to keep things balanced out. Christoph, I would recommend you give this some reworking.

I can earnestly say a the surprise I've gotten to this character. This is a landless noble who has fled her Kingdom into a place she knows very little about. Jacque, your point on the House of Oranje is a non-sequitur, should every noble house of every kingdom be described? My character will not be calling on retainers and vassals, nor levying taxes upon its population. She knows nobody in the city. I am confused as to why you are addressing me as if I am a stranger, indeed your community is not three months old, and both Krug and Jacque know be from Olden, and Jacque from TnB. Shall I provide some references of character?

Again, the image is a representation, perhaps I will change it if it truly perturbs your aesthetics so much. Also, to the statement of a noble not finding a place on the server, or it being unrealistic, how then do you address female Knights and warriors? Why are they not laughed off? Indeed, they are much less suited to the task of violence then men. Indeed, it is a fantasy setting

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5.Everyone is free to have fun. If at any point you feel your freedom on the server being threatened you are fully within your right to request an admin's assistance. You do not have to participate in any RP you do not feel comfortable contributing to.

I also question the meaning of the second line of this rule. I am not asking to play a character with massive ability, nor even riches. This is a passive non-combat character.

Christoph wrote:

I can earnestly say a the surprise I've gotten to this character. This is a landless noble who has fled her Kingdom into a place she knows very little about. Jacque, your point on the House of Oranje is a non-sequitur, should every noble house of every kingdom be described? My character will not be calling on retainers and vassals, nor levying taxes upon its population. She knows nobody in the city.

I think the lore squad is angry that you created a whole noble house without consulting them first. Even though the character itself isn't powerful, what it represents is.

Christoph wrote:

I am confused as to why you are addressing me as if I am a stranger, indeed your community is not three months old, and both Krug and Jacque know be from Olden, and Jacque from TnB. Shall I provide some references of character?

How old the community is, is irrelevant, but the reason everyone is being treated "like a stranger" is because of Advent's "clean slate" policy - all new players, even those that are familiar, are treated as objectively as possible.

Christoph wrote:

Also, to the statement of a noble not finding a place on the server, or it being unrealistic, how then do you address female Knights and warriors? Why are they not laughed off? Indeed, they are much less suited to the task of violence then men. Indeed, it is a fantasy setting.

I won't start foaming at the mouth crying "SEXIST!" because you have a point, but women can still be quite capable in combat roles, yes, even in the real world.

Of course. Forgive me if anything I've said has caused any offence, it's just my personal view on the situation. I don't need a reference of character, I know on a personal level that you are a fine roleplayer. However, I'm speaking in what I see as the interests of the server. Munroe speaks with more authority than I do, given not only his official moderator status but also his knowledge on most things. Again, I was merely speaking on my own behalf.

I don't think we should have too many nobles, or we're soon to have a multicultural, all-accepting, all-stratas-of-society town that can't be found anywhere else in the lore. Perhaps it's not my place but I'm trying to keep the lore facts in place and anchored down. I don't mean to tread on your fun, as per the rules.

I've replaced the image, as it seemed to throw some off. In response to Jacque, I can appreciate your views on the matter, I'm simply growing frustrated with my characters being labeled too powerful etc.

I believe the major points regarding this character have already been made, and now it's just a matter of making decisions. I am also going to try and limit my points to sentence long bulletins, as I continue to write long-winded rambling posts.

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My thoughts on the character:

• -Social Skill is a rarely pursued route for anyone, even for nobles. This has me fascinated.
  
• -I do not feel anything applied for is out of line, in terms of her skills, resources, or items.
  
• -This is a character lacking the trappings of nobility, thrown to the wide world. A character with possibly infinite futures given player interactions. A noble in name only.
  
• -It may have been presumptuous to create a noble house without addressing the lore team, but I would hope we may be forgiven our presumptions.
  
• -Another character page was given interest for having been a noble. One additional character doesn't seem to warrant a paradigm shift.
  
• -I have no idea where the presumptions that this is an Industrial Age character comes from, unless we count the theme song's use of Marquis.
  

My concerns that have not been addressed thus far:

• -Dame of the Order of First Citizens. I believe I can interpret the name with what you've laid the groundwork for - despite no other information present in the page; I do not feel this is something you could, or should, claim with the character in her position as is now.
  

• Krug wrote:

  Also van Oranje. You know what you did.

  -I have no idea what this means, but I discourage direct references in character names. Then again, I'm usually pretty serious about characters.
  
• -How long will she be well-kept within the city before her coin and word starts to faulter, and is forced to find self-sufficiency?
  

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All in all, I don't see much wrong with this character. But that might just be me being a softy for some odd reason. I tend to take a harsher view on the giants, orcs, mages, and rogues.

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Nice format. It seems to be increasingly popular.

Seems quite a large refernce to Willem Van Oranje, Fürstin's father was involved in a conflict with an heir wich happend in a nation similar to medieval germany. Or am I just seeing patterns where there none and misreading something?

Anyway, I personaly don't have a problem with the reference though, but I agree with the rest that Dom says, specifically, what will you do once your gold, silver and copper run out? This is something you should keep in mind, not neccesarily change though.

Blue wrote:

Christoph wrote:

I can earnestly say a the surprise I've gotten to this character. This is a landless noble who has fled her Kingdom into a place she knows very little about. Jacque, your point on the House of Oranje is a non-sequitur, should every noble house of every kingdom be described? My character will not be calling on retainers and vassals, nor levying taxes upon its population. She knows nobody in the city.

I think the lore squad is angry that you created a whole noble house without consulting them first. Even though the character itself isn't powerful, what it represents is.

Christoph wrote:

I am confused as to why you are addressing me as if I am a stranger, indeed your community is not three months old, and both Krug and Jacque know be from Olden, and Jacque from TnB. Shall I provide some references of character?

How old the community is, is irrelevant, but the reason everyone is being treated "like a stranger" is because of Advent's "clean slate" policy - all new players, even those that are familiar, are treated as objectively as possible.

Christoph wrote:

Also, to the statement of a noble not finding a place on the server, or it being unrealistic, how then do you address female Knights and warriors? Why are they not laughed off? Indeed, they are much less suited to the task of violence then men. Indeed, it is a fantasy setting.

I won't start foaming at the mouth crying "SEXIST!" because you have a point, but women can still be quite capable in combat roles, yes, even in the real world.

It is not a clean slate policy when the admins openly favour certain players more than others. I was at Aeria as long as Dom, or BooM but I am not worthy of 'trust', thats a paraphrase from Krug. So I did not apply for a powerful character, this is just a side note.

I'm not going to get into a political argument in my characters thread. I would however point out that the list is in folklore, and it is medical fact that not only are women lacking the upper body strength of men, they also suffer much more greatly from repetitive stress injuries.

Dominator046 wrote:

I believe the major points regarding this character have already been made, and now it's just a matter of making decisions. I am also going to try and limit my points to sentence long bulletins, as I continue to write long-winded rambling posts.

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My thoughts on the character:

• -Social Skill is a rarely pursued route for anyone, even for nobles. This has me fascinated.
  
• -I do not feel anything applied for is out of line, in terms of her skills, resources, or items.
  
• -This is a character lacking the trappings of nobility, thrown to the wide world. A character with possibly infinite futures given player interactions. A noble in name only.
  
• -It may have been presumptuous to create a noble house without addressing the lore team, but I would hope we may be forgiven our presumptions.
  
• -Another character page was given interest for having been a noble. One additional character doesn't seem to warrant a paradigm shift.
  
• -I have no idea where the presumptions that this is an Industrial Age character comes from, unless we count the theme song's use of Marquis.
  

My concerns that have not been addressed thus far:

• -Dame of the Order of First Citizens. I believe I can interpret the name with what you've laid the groundwork for - despite no other information present in the page; I do not feel this is something you could, or should, claim with the character in her position as is now.
  

• Krug wrote:

  Also van Oranje. You know what you did.

  -I have no idea what this means, but I discourage direct references in character names. Then again, I'm usually pretty serious about characters.
  
• -How long will she be well-kept within the city before her coin and word starts to faulter, and is forced to find self-sufficiency?
  

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All in all, I don't see much wrong with this character. But that might just be me being a softy for some odd reason. I tend to take a harsher view on the giants, orcs, mages, and rogues.

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Nice format. It seems to be increasingly popular.

I appreciate your comments Dom, it is nice to have some in depth critique. The secondary title was just an honourific to add flavour, many Kingdoms dispense them to visitors, nobility etc in the real world, it has no bearing. Indeed, a good question. She can only sustain a noble lifestyle for so long, unless she finds a patron to support her. I don't see this as a problem, more as a possibility.

Christoph wrote:

I'm not going to get into a political argument in my characters thread. I would however point out that the list is in folklore, and it is medical fact that not only are women lacking the upper body strength of men, they also suffer much more greatly from repetitive stress injuries.

I would not say around my mother, or while Flo-Jo is still alive - I don't care if she's 86 in a handful of decades, I'd be worried about her runnin' me down and whoopin' my ass.

I say this for both my mother and Flo-Jo.

Christoph wrote:

I'm not going to get into a political argument in my characters thread. I would however point out that the list is in folklore, and it is medical fact that not only are women lacking the upper body strength of men, they also suffer much more greatly from repetitive stress injuries.

I'm not denying sexual dimorphism, which is a real thing many people choose to ignore. However, that list of "folklore" includes many real women that have made their way into folklore through their deeds. Also, the study for RSI is about occupations involving heavy lifting, which isn't really the same as fighting. Swords and, well, most forms of medieval weaponry are designed to be light and fast. Armor might weigh you down, but that weight is distributed throughout the body, and you aren't using your back to lift it repeatedly.

I don't know why you continue to persist in this argument that women can't fight. They can, and have. Maybe sexual dimorphism prevents them from reaching the same physical heights as men, but it doesn't mean they're completely incapable of being good fighters.

Anyways, I said you might want to give the character some reworking. I do think the "problems" with this character have been blown out of proportion, though. I don't know if that's "favoritism" or just the admins getting the wrong impression of the character. It's always a good idea to talk things through with them if you're unsure if something will fit.

I wasn't trying to give the impression that I think women can't fight, regardless, perhaps this is for another day. I'll speak to the admins tomorrow.

For what it's worth, I don't see anything exceptionally wrong with the character. There are a few things that I personally dislike with my personal tastes, but those are just my tastes and I don't expect someone to cater to another person over such frivolities.

Other than that, I don't really see a problem with it.

no offence, but i get an "erp bait" kind of vibe from this character.

the name is also an immersion breaker. we've all had high-school history class.

Mack wrote:

no offence, but i get an "erp bait" kind of vibe from this character.

the name is also an immersion breaker. we've all had high-school history class.

Except for me.

Mack wrote:

no offence, but i get an "erp bait" kind of vibe from this character.

the name is also an immersion breaker. we've all had high-school history class.

The first two things that  came to my mind when I read this app

Christoph wrote:

Her hair, of a dark and lustrous black is bound with a simple red ribbon, and left to fall behind her head. Her eyes, as mentioned, are blue.
The rest of her face is soft in an appealing way, the curve of her cheek and neck defined, features flushed like a spring morning.
Indeed, her entire figure is blushing, the enigma of stress perhaps from some unknown embarrassment.

she's really a shy type

A good voice and a love of music grace her

a certain sense of purity about her

Beautiful: To say it plainly, many have commented on this most illustrious asset, though in a city such as this one, it may be more of a liability.

Just sayin' but, things like this are what makes it stand out. You've made her too much of a "Perfect beauty" while also making her the exact same archetype as those in romance movies.

I understand if your trying to make her sound noble and all in that sense, but in my opinion, I believe you went a little overboard with that, and I also think this contributed to us all going "Nobility wtf" The description as it stands implies she still has power or wealth in some way (In terms of appearance), but as you had stated, she does not.

Aswell, it would be a bit better if you could explain, /how/ she got to the city, carrying the size of luggage she had would need some larger transport through the savage lands, so keep that in mind while you choose her method of escape.

Maybe alter your backstory a bit after talking to krug or zaku about her family's stature and whatnot, and tone down the "Angelic look" to a more, "One of the prettier women in the tavern." Travelling through the savage lands is no easy task and it would take its toll on someone. Now, I'm not saying she couldn't have cleaned herself up afterwards, but she wouldn't have access to all the cleaning services as nobility.

Mack wrote:

no offence, but i get an "erp bait" kind of vibe from this character.

If you got that impression, please keep it to yourself. You're only going to negatively affect how others view the character, and it hasn't even been used yet. Atlas at least gave a reasoned explanation of something he thought was wrong with the character.

Blue wrote:

Mack wrote:

no offence, but i get an "erp bait" kind of vibe from this character.

If you got that impression, please keep it to yourself. You're only going to negatively affect how others view the character, and it hasn't even been used yet. Atlas at least gave a reasoned explanation of something he thought was wrong with the character.

Caught me mid edit

but yeah, TL;DR too pretty even for a noble, tone that down, explain how she got to the city, and expand on her backstory

If you changed the name and dropped the van Oranje, I would be fine with this. Direct reference or not, it's an unfortunate coincidence. I wouldn't let someone play a character named John Bonaparte, either.

Her name is fine and appropriately germanic otherwise, and the rest appears to be pretty subjective. I agree with Munroe that the issues seem to have been blown up a bit, and if you say that you won't be ascending to a position of power and lording about the RP with vast resources, I can pass it.